Love, respect, and support have been keys to their marriage
Volunteer work has always been important to the couple, who have donated their time to food banks, the UNCF, and other nonprofits.

The Rev. John L. Payne & Patricia Simmons Payne
John left the gathering of teens with a head full of dreams and a burning question for Gaylord, the friend who had invited him: āIs she seeing anybody?ā
She ā Patricia ā was the best friend of Gaylordās girlfriendās little sister, Rovena. And John had spent much of that 1960 evening talking to her.
John, then 18, found her beautiful, but it was more than that. āSometimes there is an uneasiness when you meet someone for the first time, but our conversation just flowed,ā he said.
His friend got him Patriciaās number.
Rovena told Patricia that John had asked about her. When he called, Patricia, then 16, was happy to talk to him, but politely declined a date. They saw each other within their friend group a few more times, then John called again with the same result.
He really liked Patricia, but he also respected her and himself. If she wasnāt interested, he had to move on ā after one last phone conversation. āIf youāre not interested, Iām not going to ask anymore,ā he told her.
Patricia had never been interested in dating for datingās sake. But by the end of that third call, she was interested in John. āI liked the way he talked to me ā he was always so respectful,ā she said. āI felt that he was mature, and I was glad to meet somebody who I thought I could have a future with.ā
First was a movie at the Rex, then came walks around their North Philadelphia neighborhood, often ending at Pflaumerās Ice Cream.
Her feelings and his grew quickly, in tandem.
Formula for a strong marriage
John, who is now 80, is pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church at 10th and Dauphin Streets. Patricia, now 78, retired in 2012 as director of Northwest Victims Services, a nonprofit that assists victims of crime.
When they met, John, a graduate of Simon Gratz High School, had already begun his first career ā 38 years at Scatton Manufacturing Co., where he became a department foreman. Patricia was a sophomore at William Penn High School for Girls.
āWe talked about our pasts and we talked about our future,ā Patricia said. āWe talked about what marriage would look like for us ā what we would do to make each other happy. What we wouldnāt do to make each other miserable or sad. We came up with some formulas.ā
āWe always felt that communication would be the key,ā said John. Even during arguments, there would be respect ā no name-calling, no profanity.
They agreed to never embarrass each other in public and that no pots, pans, or toasters would be given for birthdays or anniversaries.
āWe really got to talking about how we were going to do this [marriage] thing, because I didnāt have a marriage role model,ā said Patricia, who was raised by her godmother and her godmotherās mother. āI didnāt either,ā said John, who was raised by his mother. He was 10 when his father was killed.
On Christmas of her junior year, John knelt in front of Patricia and held out an engagement ring. āWould you be my wife?ā he asked.
āYes,ā said Patricia.
āThank God for that,ā said John.
A wedding, a family, a community
On July 7, 1963, just after Patriciaās high school graduation, the couple were married in the living room of her motherās 29th Street home by the Rev. Sercy Jones of Haven United Methodist. Sixty guests attended, and most brought a dish to share afterward.
āWe were the first of our friends to get married, and everyone would love to come over to our apartment [on Diamond Street],ā Patricia remembered. āWe would go out dancing ā we love to dance with each other.ā She introduced John to modern dance, and he introduced her to football.
Their three children, John Jr., Eric, and Melany, are now in their 50s. āI love that he has been a true family man,ā Patricia said of John. āHis family always comes first, starting with me and then our kids. Heās an excellent provider and heās a saver ā he could have been a financial planner he is so good with money. He always treated me with kindness and respect and set a good example for our children.ā
When their kids were young, Patricia would pack a lunch and John would drive everyone to the beach in Atlantic City. Sundays always meant church, but also doughnuts and a drive, or a drive-in movie. The children later played sports and John coached Little League baseball and football for most of two decades. They lived for more than 30 years in West Oak Lane before moving to Willow Grove in 2000.
Volunteer work has always been important to the couple, who have donated their time to food banks, the UNCF, and other nonprofits, and continue to serve on several hospital committees.
Supporting each otherās goals
When Patricia wanted to attend college, John said they would find a way. She took night or weekend classes at Philadelphia Community College and Temple University, when John could be with the kids. She holds a psychology degree from Temple and later earned a masterās in human services from Lincoln University. Patricia worked as a supervisor for School District of Philadelphia Community Schools and director of a Philadelphia Futures mentoring program before joining Northwest Victims Services.
Growing up, John spent summers with his grandmother in Willow Grove and attended her church, First Baptist Church of Crestmont. The family also attended First Baptist, where he served as Boy Scout leader, youth leader, chorus member, usher, and a deacon for three decades.
āWithout a doubt, I spent my formative years in the church, but as far as the ministry is concerned, I was a late bloomer,ā John said. āI was in my late 50s when I was called to the ministry.ā
It was Patriciaās turn to support John while he went to school.
In 1998, he studied at Suburban Bible Institute and earned his certificate. He later earned a bachelorās, masterās and doctorate of theology from Slidell Baptist Seminary. In 2002, he was ordained at McKinley Memorial Baptist Church, also in Willow Grove, and became associate minister. John has been pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church for more than 18 years.
Setback comes with blessings
For more than 20 years, Patricia and Johnās Christmas gift to their children ā and now seven grandchildren ā has been a family beach vacation. But the tradition has been on hold. First came COVID-19, and then this past June, John started experiencing shortness of breath.
He was diagnosed with amyloidosis, a rare condition in which the protein amyloid builds up in the body. In Johnās case, it was in his heart. Heās since had five hospital stays and four procedures and the disease is controlled with medicine.
John counts his blessings ā his version of the disease isnāt hereditary, so his family is not at risk. His children and other family and friends have offered help, support, and prayers. John Jr., a barber, took the train from Middletown to trim his hair and beard. Melany visited him in the hospital daily, and Eric took vacation time to spend the day with his father when Patricia could not.
And then thereās Patricia. He may have called her āthe wardenā a few times, but John is grateful for her love and care. āOver the period of years that weāve been together itās been born out that truly it wasnāt my choice ā it was Godās choice. He chose her for me. I couldnāt have made it without her.ā
Whatās next
As Johnās recovery progresses, he has resumed more pastoral duties. āWeāre trending up. And we thank God for that,ā he said.
He and Patricia canāt wait to return to the beach with their family. And this coming July, they will celebrate their 60th wedding anniversary.
















