Joe Banner: Eagles’ Zach Ertz trade gives Howie Roseman salary-cap breathing room over the next few years
As Banner notes, the Eagles saved some money with the Zach Ertz trade that could be used down the line to improve the team.
Eagles general manager Howie Roseman speaks with tight end Zach Ertz (86) after the second day of training camp at the NovaCare Complex in South Philadelphia on Thursday, July 29, 2021.Read moreHEATHER KHALIFA / Staff Photographer
Former Eagles president Joe Banner is doing a weekly Q&A with Inquirer Eagles reporter EJ Smith. In part one of this week’s session, the two discuss the Zach Ertz trade and how it impacts Dallas Goedert’s future with the team, the salary-cap dollars it saves, and how to parse Howie Roseman’s comments on not selling at the trade deadline.
EJ: What was your reaction to the Zach Ertz trade?
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JB: It’s pretty in line with what made sense. It made sense to trade either Ertz or Dallas Goedert, and it made more sense to trade Ertz. They got the return, with an OK draft pick and also enough long-term financial benefit, to say they got value.
It’s sad to see somebody who was a part of such wonderful moments here and loved being here leave, but it’s also probably in everybody’s best interest, including him for how he envisions the rest of his career, for him to have ended up where he did. I said before, it was most likely to happen and it ended up being good for everybody.
JB: It what I expected. It was an OK draft pick that’s absolutely worth having. It has value, but by itself, it isn’t great value. When you put it together with $5.5, $6 million saved, you can spend that on keeping additional players or going on the free-agent market and getting someone, that’s a good, solid move.
EJ: Eagles general manager Howie Roseman said he told Ertz the trade was coming on Tuesday, but wanted him to have one final game before he called to finalize the deal. How unusual is that? Have you ever done it?
JB: I’ve never done it. I’ve never heard of it. It’s highly unusual. The only reason is just because obviously once you’ve agreed on the trade, the risk of somebody getting hurt and derailing it is there. So I think it’s highly unusual, and I don’t think we’re going to see it become the norm. But I think in light of the time he’s been here and the way he wanted to depart, it made sense.
I’m sure they were holding their breath and trying to get through the game and hopefully have nothing happen that changed the planned outcome, but I’ve never heard of it and I’ve certainly never done it.
Zach Ertz, left, and Matt Barkley, right, report to Philadelphia Eagles Training Camp at the NovaCare Complex in Philadelphia on July 22, 2013.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Eagles rookie tight end Zach Ertz is all smiles after he caught five passes, two touchdowns, in the Eagles 24-21 win over the Arizona Cardinals at Lincoln Financial Field Sunday, Dec. 1, 2013.Read moreClem Murray / Staff Photographer
Eagles' Zach Ertz catches a first-quarter touchdown reception past New York Giant's Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie on Sunday, October 12, 2014.Read moreRON CORTES / Staff Photographer
Eagles' Zach Ertz spikes the football after catching a third quarter touchdown against the Arizona Cardinals on Sunday, December 1, 2013.Read moreYong Kim / Staff Photographer
Eagles' Zach Ertz leaps over the Cowboys' Brandon Carr during the 2nd quarter. Philadelphia Eagles play the Dallas Cowboys at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia on December 14, 2014.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Instagram photo of Eagles player Zach Ertz and girlfriend Julie Johnston, soccer player on the Chicago Redstars and women's World Cup champion team, posted October 30, 2015 on Johnston's Instagram account.Read moreinstagram.com/juliejohnston2
Philadelphia Eagles tight end Zach Ertz (86) misses the ball during the first half of the Philadelphia Eagles game against the Miami Dolphins at Lincoln Financial Field, Sunday, Nov. 15, 2015, in Philadelphia.Read moreClem Murray / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz grimaces after being upended during the game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Lincoln Financial Field November 22, 2015. He suffered a concussion on the play. The Buccaneers won 45-17.Read moreCLEM MURRAY / Staff Photographer
Eagles' tight end Zach Ertz takes a knee before the Eagles played the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday, October 30, 2016 in Arlington, TX.Read moreYONG KIM / Staff Photographer
Eagles’ Zach Ertz walks out of the player’s tunnel before facing the Redskins. Philadelphia Eagles lose 27-20 to the Washington Redskins at FedEx Field in Landover, MD on October 16, 2016.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Eagles' Zach Ertz plays catch with some of the students as the Eagles do a playground build on May 18, 2016 at Disston Elementary in Philadelphia, PA.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Eagles' tight end Zach Ertz greets Los Angeles Angels' outfielder Mike Trout before the Eagles played the Buffalo Bills in a preseason game on Thursday, August 17, 2017 in Philadelphia.Read moreYONG KIM / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz breaks a tackle by Bears linebacker Sam Acho and heads upfield for 23 yards reception in the 3rd quarter of the game November 26, 2017 at Lincoln Financial Field. Ertz caught 10 passes for 103 as the Eagles won 31-3.Read moreCLEM MURRAY / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz along the sidelines after catching a touchdown pass against the Giants at Lincoln Financial Field September 24, 2017. Eagles won 27-24.Read moreCLEM MURRAY / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz talks with starting quarterback Nick Foles as he participates in his first practice after suffering a concussion during the Seattle game as the Eagles practice for their upcoming game against the New York Giants inside The Bubble at the Nova Care Complex December 14, 2017. At left is tight end Brent Celek.Read moreCLEM MURRAY / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz talks with head coach Doug Pederson as he participates in his first practice after suffering a concussion during the Seattle game as the Eagles practice for their upcoming game against the New York Giants inside The Bubble at the Nova Care Complex December 14, 2017.Read moreCLEM MURRAY / Staff Photographer
Eagles offensive players celebrate Eagles tight end Zach Ertz's first-quarter touchdown against the Chicago Bears on Sunday, November 26, 2017 in Philadelphia.Read moreYONG KIM / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz speaks during a news conference at the NovaCare Complex in South Philadelphia on Tuesday, April 17, 2018.Read moreTIM TAI / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz (86) celebrates with Eagles wide receiver Jordan Matthews after he scored a touchdown in the fourth quarter during a game against the Houston Texans at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia, Sunday, Dec. 23, 2018. Eagles won the game, 32-30.Read moreHEATHER KHALIFA / Staff Photographer
Injured Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz, left, talks with tight end Zach Ertz during warmups before a game against the Washington Redskins at FedEx Field in Landover, Md., on Sunday, Dec. 30, 2018.Read moreTIM TAI / Staff Photographer
Eagles’ Zach Ertz arrives at the Eagles Super Bowl team hotel in Bloomington, MN on January 28 2018.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Zach Ertz and Fletcher Cox lead their team out of the tunnel during the Eagles introduction at the Super Bowl.Read moreMICHAEL BRYANT / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz gains yardage Super Bowl LII, at U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Sunday, Feb. 4, 2018.Read moreDAVID SWANSON / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz scores a touchdown during the fourth quarter at Super Bowl LII, at U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Sunday, Feb. 4, 2018.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz dives over New England Patriots defensive back Devin McCourty to score the winning touchdown in the fourth quarter of Super Bowl LII, at U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Sunday, Feb. 4, 2018. The Eagles won 41-33.Read moreTIM TAI / Staff Photographer
Eagles center Jason Kelce celebrates with Eagles tight end Zach Ertz after Ertz scored the game-winning touchdown in the fourth quarter of Super Bowl LII, at U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Sunday, Feb. 4, 2018. The Eagles won 41-33.Read moreTIM TAI / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz celebrates on the victory stand as his team, the Eagles defeated the Patriots because of Ertz’s touchdown catch in the last few minutes of the fourth quarter. The New England Patriots versus the Philadelphia Eagles in Super Bowl LII in Minneapolis MN on Febuary, 2018.Read moreMICHAEL BRYANT/ Staff Photographer
Eagles’ Zach Ertz holds up the Lombardi trophy during the Eagles Super Bowl Champions celebration at the Art Museum in Philadelphia on February 8, 2018.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Zach Ertz and his wife, Julie, pose for photos while entering the Eagles' Super Bowl championship ring ceremony at 2300 Arena in South Philadelphia on Thursday, June 14, 2018. Players received their Super Bowl rings at the private ceremony.Read moreTIM TAI / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz (86) celebrates a touchdown in the second quarter of a game against the New York Giants at Lincoln Financial Field in South Philadelphia on Sunday, Nov. 25, 2018.Read moreTIM TAI / Staff Photographer
U.S. women's soccer star Julie Ertz, interacts with husband Eagles tight end Zach Ertz, after training camp practice at the NovaCare Complex in South Philadelphia on Sunday, August 11, 2019.Read moreJOSE F. MORENO / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz, left, quarterback Carson Wentz, center, and wide receiver Alshon Jeffery, right, arrive at the stadium to play the Atlanta Falcons in Atlanta, GA on September 15, 2019.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz holds the football looking for the first down against the Atlanta Falcons on Sunday, September 15, 2019 in Atlanta.Read moreYONG KIM / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz, center, is hit by Atlanta Falcons linebacker Deion Jones, left, and outside linebacker De'Vondre Campbell, right, after catching a pass in Atlanta, GA on September 15, 2019. .Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz walks into smoke during player introductions before the Eagles played against the New York Jets on Sunday, October 6, 2019 in Philadelphia.Read moreYONG KIM / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz catches a pass in the fourth quarter as he lands on New England defensive back Devin McCourty for a first down in the game against the New England Patriots at Lincoln Financial Field on November 17, 2019.Read moreMICHAEL BRYANT / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz catches a pass as he warms up before Philadelphia Eagles play the Dallas Cowboys at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia, PA on December 22, 2019.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz celebrates after making the game-winning touchdown in overtime against the New York Giants at Lincoln Financial Field on Monday, Dec. 09, 2019. Eagles won 23-17.Read moreHEATHER KHALIFA / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz (86) and quarterback Carson Wentz (11) walk off the field after a game against the Cincinnati Bengals at Lincoln Financial Field in South Philadelphia on Sunday, Sept. 27, 2020.Read moreTIM TAI / Staff Photographer
Philadelphia Eagles tight end Zach Ertz (86) reacts to his third quarter towndown on fourth down did not count Sunday, October 3, 2021 at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia.Read moreYONG KIM / Staff Photographer
Philadelphia Eagles tight end Zach Ertz (86) is brought down by Kansas City Chiefs free safety Tyrann Mathieu (32) and Kansas City Chiefs safety L'Jarius Sneed (38) in the first quarter of a game at Lincoln Financial Field in South Philadelphia on Sunday, Oct. 3, 2021. Kansas City won, 42-30.Read moreHEATHER KHALIFA / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz poses for pictures with some Eagles fans from the Naval Air Station at Fort Worth prior to the game against the Cowboys in Dallas November 19, 2017.Read moreCLEM MURRAY / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz, right, talk to reporters as the Eagles players clean out their lockers at the NovaCare practice facility in Philadelphia, PA on January 6, 2020. The Eagles lost to the Seattle Seahawks in the Wild Card round of the NFL playoffs.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz and Eagles tight end Zach Ertz walk off after a game against the Cincinnati Bengals at Lincoln Financial Field in South Philadelphia on Sunday, Sept. 27, 2020. The game ended in a draw in overtime, 23-23.Read moreHEATHER KHALIFA / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz grimaces after getting injured against the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday, October 18, 2020.Read moreYONG KIM / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz looks down along the Eagles sideline after getting hurt in during the fourth quarter against the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday, October 18, 2020.Read moreYONG KIM / Staff Photographer
Eagles’ Zach Ertz, left, scores in front of the Redskins’ D. J. Swearinger, right, in the 2nd quarter as the Philadelphia Eagles play the Washington Redskins in Philadelphia, PA on October 23, 2017. DAVID MAIALETTI / Staff PhotographerRead moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Eagles’ Zach Ertz, right, is tackled by the Buccaneers’ Ryan Smith, left, during the 3rd quarter. Philadelphia Eagles lose 27-21 to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Tampa, Fl on September 16, 2018.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz reaches for the football against Atlanta Falcons cornerback Isaiah Oliver on Sunday, September 15, 2019 in Atlanta.Read moreYONG KIM / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz is helped off the turf after being down for a long period of time during the Eagles game against the Redskins at FedEx Field on December 15, 2019.Read moreMICHAEL BRYANT / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz celebrates after making the game-winning touchdown in overtime against the New York Giants at Lincoln Financial Field on Monday, Dec. 09, 2019. Eagles won 23-17.Read moreHEATHER KHALIFA / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz yells after catching the football for a first-down in the first-quarter against the Chicago Bears on Sunday, November 3, 2019 in Philadelphia.Read moreYONG KIM / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz leaps over Seattle Seahawks cornerback Tre Flowers during the first-quarter on Sunday, November 24, 2019 in Philadelphia.Read moreYONG KIM / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz walks off the field to fireworks after he caught the game-winning touchdown in overtime over the New York Giants at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia, PA on December 9, 2019.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Washington Redskins cornerback Danny Johnson (41) trips up Eagles tight end Zach Ertz (86) during a game at FedEx Field in Landover, Md., on Sunday, Dec. 15, 2019. The Eagles won 37-27.Read moreTIM TAI / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz celebrates his first quarter touchdown reception with teammates Eagles center Jason Kelce and offensive guard Isaac Seumalo against the Washington Football Team on Sunday, September 13, 2020.Read moreYONG KIM / Staff Photographer
Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz and tight end Zach Ertz walk off the field after losing to the Washington Football Team 27-17 on Sunday, September 13, 2020.Read moreYONG KIM / Staff Photographer
Zach Ertz, looks on during 2021 Eagles Training Camp in Philadelphia, Pa. Friday, July 30, 2021.Read moreJOSE F. MORENO / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz and quarterback Jalen Hurts celebrates Ertz's first quarter touchdown against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Thursday, October 14, 2021 in Philadelphia.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz sign his autograph for fans before the Eagles play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Thursday, October 14, 2021 in Philadelphia.Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
Philadelphia Eagles tight end Zach Ertz walks off as the Philadelphia Eagles lose 28-22 to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia, Pa. on October 14, 2021. .Read moreDAVID MAIALETTI / Staff Photographer
EJ: How do you think the Ertz trade changes things for Dallas Goedert? He’ll be an unrestricted free agent this offseason and wanted to sign an extension before the season. How much does this trade increase the likelihood that he signs a long-term deal with the team?
JB: It gives him a little more leverage. Basically, he knows that unless what he’s asking for is really ridiculous, they got to find a way to get the deal done. I don’t think that should scare either side. The market for the position is reasonably defined. I wouldn’t be surprised if they already kind of know the parameters of what it will be.
I applaud Goedert, I’ve been critical of players jumping to sign too quickly, too afraid of getting hurt and leaving too much money on the table. I think he played this out very smartly. Regardless of what happens on the deal, that’s to be determined, but from a philosophical perspective, I think what he did was very smart. He was calm and rationale, he didn’t overreact. I think the outcome will be that he’ll get a very good contract and he’ll be with the Eagles for a long time. Hopefully it’s one more position that they can feel good about having a young player at and they won’t have to worry about for a while.
EJ: You mentioned the cap space they cleared in this trade, how significant is that for them in the next year or two?
JB: I haven’t seen it myself, I’m told it’s around $5.5 million, which sounds like a pretty reasonable estimate. Remember, they could use this next year, three years from now, whenever they want, they just push it forward. That’s a nice amount of extra money to have, especially if you’re trying to build a roster when you have some young players you want to make sure you’re in a position to re-sign, in other words, maximize retention, that’s a good chunk of change.
EJ: Roseman also said this trade isn’t an indication that they’re willing to offload veteran players in an effort to sell at the trade deadline. Do you take that at face value or do you expect more moves?
JB: I’m taking it at face value because, it’s the nature of the roster and the league, it’s likely to happen. And I don’t believe it, this isn’t just about the Eagles, but it includes them, if somebody came along and offered to overpay for a player that wasn’t in the team’s long-term plans, it’s conceivable to me that they’d at least engage in a conversation and hear it out. I still believe that there is no intent to make additional trades, like initiating a number of calls to see if they can make other deals. I don’t think the definitiveness of the way it was presented precludes the possibility that we could see more deals, though.
If you asked me what’s most likely to happen, I think they’re probably done. But if you asked me if I take his words literally that they’re done, I would take that with caution.